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jilly
01-07-2003, 11:45 PM
I got this off the Fox news website a while ago, and kept it, because I thought it had great points - just want to share it with everyone here:

From The Fox Website:

Almost every conversation is emotional to some degree. Even political ones that revolve around facts, data and statistics are emotional because political issues are intimately connected to our self-opinion. Abortion, child custody, domestic violence ... these are not floating abstractions.

The positions you take are part of your identity and defending those positions is part of defending yourself.

Arguing — the art of exchanging ideas — naturally elicits the full range of human emotion: compassion, sorrow, humor, anger. But being emotional doesn't mean rejecting standards of decency: quite the contrary. It is precisely because human beings are emotional that a standard of decency is necessary.

Arguments usually become verbal brawls for one of three reasons: defensiveness, competitiveness and malice. In some sense, it doesn't matter why the other person is treating you badly: You need to stand up for yourself. But the "why" of the other person's behavior should influence how you do so.

Defensiveness. People often become defensive during even gentle disagreements. There can be many reasons, none of which involve a desire to attack you. The other person may be intellectually insecure or feel so deeply about an issue, like abortion, that she is unable to remain calm.

Be patient. Treat the other person with the same courtesy you wish to receive. For example ...

— Give her time to consider your points

— Acknowledge when you make an error

— Don't respond in kind to personal remarks

— Be tolerant of her small errors or slips of speech

— When you are uncertain of something, say so

— Show an interest in what she says

— Avoid statements that embarrass or belittle

— Acknowledge when she makes a good point

— When she concedes a point, move on

If the courtesy you extend is not returned, stop talking. The other person may be unable to sustain a civil conversation; this is no reflection upon you. Simply state, "There is no reason to continue talking if that's how you're going to behave." Sometimes the best way to stand up for yourself is to turn your back and walk away.

Often you'll be confronted by a different problem: competitiveness. Some people place such a high value on winning that they will argue like a bulldog clenching a bone because, to them, letting go means "losing." You may be unable to walk away. Perhaps the other person is a co-worker or a family member, perhaps the situation requires you to stick it out.

Take control of the argument by asking yourself some simple questions about the disagreement.

Is it over facts, morality or something personal?

Who has made the assertion and, so, assumed the burden of proof?

What would resolve it, what "proof" is needed?

What is the end point so that the argument doesn't drag on needlessly?

Argue aggressively, not by going on the attack but by keeping a tight leash on the topic. Whenever the other person digresses, rein in the conversation. If it continues, ask, "Why do you keep changing the subject?"

Without being combative, ask probing questions. For example, if the other person makes a statement of fact, ask them to state the source of those facts. If she comments on a book, ask if she's read it. Be prepared for the conversation to deteriorate, however, because many people will react to polite questioning with open hostility. She may become malicious.

Malice. We all encounter anger-filled people who enjoy degrading others and are never happier than when someone is miserable. My advice: walk away. The interaction has ceased to be — if it ever was — anything of value to you.

Again, there will be times when you have to stand and defend yourself. But recognize the situation for what it is. It is not an exchange of ideas. It is a personal attack by someone who wishes to hurt you, probably through humiliation.

Never allow an emotional bully to place your worth as a human being into question. The instant you enter a debate on whether you are stupid, for example, you've lost. Never encourage an abuser by continuing the exchange. Turn it into another conversation.

If a response is necessary, ask the person: "Why do you treat people with such disrespect? Are you that frightened of an honest conversation?" This accomplishes at least two things: The topic is the other person's failings, not yours; the topic is her treatment of people in general, not of you.

There are many reasons not to react with hostility, even when you are being attacked. One of them is purely strategic. Malicious conversations most often occur in the presence of others because abusers enjoy inflicting public humiliation. Deny them this satisfaction.

Just as a public debater primarily addresses the audience and not the opponent, remember that others are watching and listening. Don't let abusers harm your reputation as a reasonable and decent human being. Instead, increase it by standing up for yourself without degrading anyone else.

Loramars
11-15-2003, 09:03 AM
Jilly,

This is a great post! My dad had a favorite philosophy he passed on to me:"Never argue with a Fool, because nobody watching will know who is who!" Very true. In the card game of life, you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run!

Confuscius said:
He who knows but knows not that he knows is asleep, wake him. He who knows not and knows he knows not is in need, help him. He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a FOOL! Shun him! But he who knows and knows he knows is wise. Follow him."

I took an assertiveness training class called "Think Trim" to learn how to curb emotional eating. We all do it. We eat to stuff our feelings down sometimes instead of turning to more constructive ways dealing with them (like writing!) It was an enlightening class! Especially learning the difference between being aggressive, which is the behavior you have outlined for us in this post, and being assertive. The teacher used an example from her own life.

She said her and several college pals met for dinner one night. It was a very satisfying social event. In the parking lot afterward, Jane said to Mary, "Let's not wait another 3 months to do this. Let's set our next date now!"

Mary was flippant about the idea and dismissed it as unimportant. "Who cares about that right now?"

As Jane sat in her car, the idea of stopping at the store for a candy bar popped in her head. She had just eaten a four-course meal! She wasn't hungry, and she was determined to rid herself of this irrational urge. She got out of her car and walked over to Mary again and said, "What you just said hurt my feelings."

Mary apologized and admitted she didn't mean anything by it at all. It was a careless remark. "That is not really what I meant,"she confessed.

"Well, I would appreciate it if you would in the future say what you mean." Jane said.

That was assertive! And, guess what? She didn't need to stop at the store for any candy bars!

Aggressive would be calling the other person names or being pushy about what you want, like saying "Never call me again!" That's control. It's not effective.

These are the elements of assertiveness:
1. Describe the behavior or quote the statement that bothered you.
2. Tell them how it made you feel.
3. Tell them what behavior from them you would appreciate in the future.

If you practice this exercise, you'll never have cause to be aggressive again with anyone, and people will have more respect for your feelings!

whisper54
12-12-2004, 03:10 PM
I've always been of the opinion to never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

OldSage
02-22-2006, 01:02 PM
I used to work with a man who took delight in walking up to a group of people. Then he would ask his victim a question that no matter how they replied, they would be embarassed. One day he chose me as his target out of a group of 8 or 9. I simply looked at him and said, "Joe, if I thought that was any of your business, I would have told you long ago, you would not have had to ask." Everyone except Joe got a good laugh out of it, and Joe backed off on his rudness for a while.

With Love and Light,
Charles

Tel` Gega
03-26-2006, 03:24 PM
I used to work with a man who took delight in walking up to a group of people. Then he would ask his victim a question that no matter how they replied, they would be embarassed.

I really can't stand people like that

james forristal
06-23-2006, 08:35 PM
your bang on , to be honest when i get into heated debates my heart rules my head and i can become rude and opinionated, Thats when im in the heat of the passion later when my head cools i start to feel guilty becouse i start to reolize that i hurt some ones feelings im learning to be more tactful any ways good post cosmic jim

james forristal
06-24-2006, 02:02 AM
i think every one in this website should take on boared what you said. What i dont like is when your treated like the 3rd party , That realy annoys me. i have never behaved in that way in my whole life ! i em any ways just felt like getting a few things off my back. love cosmic jim

kubie5789
11-24-2006, 07:23 PM
Hope you don't mind, but I would like to throw my two cents into the bucket for good measure. Here's the flipside of that good advice:

How NOT to debate polite and effectively:

1. Enter the debate with a closed mind. Decide what your beliefs are, and that you can't be swayed from those beliefs, even if it means being rude to the person whose opinion you are considering. No matter what this person says, never allow anything they say to change the way you think right now. Assume that you are perfect and that this person could never possibly help you to improve yourself.

2. Get angry. Getting angry quickly (or at all) during a debate is the best way to show your "opponent" that they've hit a soft spot, or that you're generally just an inferior person. This is especially effective right after a person asks you a question that would give you a chance to prove what you say.

3. Treat the other person's opinion as inherently inferior. Remember, you don't want to "lose" at any cost. As long as you don't care what anyone thinks of you, this is the best way to "win" your argument. If this doesn't work, you should always retain the option of having the last word by yelling in your opponent's face and storming off before they have a chance to respond, like a five year old.

4. Yell!!! (In the case of a chatroom or forum such as this, use capital and/or boldface letters) If you should ever find yourself unable to convince the other person that your point of view is superior, yelling is a great attention-getter. You'll probably offend everyone involved, but that's not nearly as important as "winning." Don't forget the storming-off-like-a-five-year-old option.

5. Never (EVER) concede that your opponent has a good point about anything at all! This could be potentially devastating to your argument. If you ever do such a thing, you will automatically lose the argument. Your spouse and children will leave you, and even your dog will have second thoughts. You must be absolutely and undeniably right about everything, and nothing short of perfection will do.
A good way to avoid conceding if (through some miracle) your opponent has made a good point is to manipulate the conversation such that your opponent still manages to be wrong in some way or another. Focus attention on your opponent's mistakes, and steer clear of anything resembling equality.


Well, that's all for now. Have a good argument! ... er ... uuh, I mean debate!

Kubie the Perfectly Imperfect Dooby :Love_and_

Tel` Gega
11-24-2006, 08:13 PM
Im going to have to Disagree with ONE thing.


The "close minded" part


1. Enter the debate with a closed mind. Decide what your beliefs are, and that you can't be swayed from those beliefs


You CAN enter a discusstion with a firm belief, and not be swayed to think other-wise and still be Open minded.

Open minded means to have no Prejedice, to not justifiy something as true or untrue just because we do/do not believe in it.

I mean take a second and think, what IS being open/close minded?

We ALL have firm beleives in something, dont we?

Like Karen and Oldsage for Exp...

Karen Beleives that she saw a angel and doesn't believe it to be anything else other then a angel, Does that make her close minded? No!

OldSage Beleives he is in His Final Reincarnation and doesn't believe other wise, does that make him clsoe minded? Of course not!

A close minded person is a person who thinks that what 'THEY' believe in is real and any one who believes in something else, is a believer in something that isn't real.

and another thing wouldn't we all be close minded if we DID all believed the same thing?

If we took everything we all thought, through it all together, thought it was all true, wouldn't we be close minded because none of us would think any differently?

In short, Having believes and opinons different and/or controdicting to another person's IS openminded, because it goes both ways.

It's When we agree to disagreee tha tmakes us open minded, it's giveing other people their space and their 'right' to beleive frimly in what they do believe in.

It's closed minded to say "Oh thats not true/real" or "If you want to think that way but your still wrong" that makes us close minded.